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erin? >> all right, thanks to reza. >>> now to england, where the positive identification of king richard iii's skeletal remains has triggered a resurgence of interest in the notorious monarch. what would he have done if he lived in the era of twitter? richard quest is in london. i asked him to explain how the long dead ruler is getting a royal makeover. >> reporter: erin, this is the portrait most familiar of richard iii but this is the recreation from the scans of the skull that was found in that parking lot in middle england. note the tightness of the skin and the way artists have put the hair and the reality to it. it was commissioned by the richard iii society and when they announced it, they said his grace, richard, king of england, france and ireland. i leave you to decide which of the two you actually prefer. >>> now our fifth story out front, fat attack. new jersey governor chris christie's weight has always provided fodder for late night comics but last night, christie showed he c
erin? >> all right, thanks to reza. >>> now to england, where the positive identification of king richard iii's skeletal remains has triggered a resurgence of interest in the notorious monarch. what would he have done if he lived in the era of twitter? richard quest is in london. i asked him to explain how the long dead ruler is getting a royal makeover. >> reporter: erin, this is the portrait most familiar of richard iii but this is the recreation from the scans of the...
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erin burnett "outfront" starts -- starts -- >> right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> is there a mormon connection? a major announcement from the boy scouts delaying a highly anticipated vote to lift a ban on gay membership. we have that story. plus, we talk about marco rubio and whether he's making the biggest mistag of his life right now and the boy who was held in an underground bunker for six days just celebrates his birthday. what we just learneded about his captor. good evening. tonight, is there a mormon connection? a major announcement from the boy scouts today. as i said, they're delaying a controversial and highly anticipated vote to lift a ban on gay membership. the question tonight, does the long history between the mormons and boy scouts have to do anything with the announcement? mormons represent 15% of the 2.7 million registered boy scouts. that is the single biggest group in america. they pay dues. also jointly on land together and their departure could leave a gaping hole in the organization, which has seen its membership decline by a third since 1999. no
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>> that's extremely usual, you're right, erin. there were also reports of unmanned surveillance, drones, that have been used. that hasn't been concerned. but it gives you a sense there was from the highest levels a very strong commitment and feeling of sympathy for the little boy and trying to get it rezauchbled in a way where he was safe and that's what happened. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. everyone i know has been talking about the little boy and what it was like for him down in the darkness in that bunker. i want to bring in a psychiatrist and director of children's services along with tom fuentes. we know the ending here now. at least before the child begins his healing process, the child is physically safe. the kidnapper is dead. how could investigators have accomplished this without harming the child in. >> it would have taken a great deal of planning and still. in the case of the fbi hostage team, they plan full time for these kinds of events. they worked with negotiators. the team came in with the hostage team.
>> that's extremely usual, you're right, erin. there were also reports of unmanned surveillance, drones, that have been used. that hasn't been concerned. but it gives you a sense there was from the highest levels a very strong commitment and feeling of sympathy for the little boy and trying to get it rezauchbled in a way where he was safe and that's what happened. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. everyone i know has been talking about the little boy and what it was like for...
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. >>> thanks very much, erin. anthony good evening, tonight on the program, the bunker busters, new details about what happened in that alabama bunker. in the split seconds when authorities went in. seconds that spelled life for a little boy who turned 6 today and death for his captor. >>> take a look at this man who's 74 years old, he's on a pharmaceutical cocktail that makes it possible for him to look like that. the question tonight, has he found a healthy fountain of youth? or a prescription for disaster. what you need to know before you do what he's doing. >>> a program that takes guns out of the hands of known criminals. with all the talk about expanding background checks this one seems to be a no-brainer. it's a program in california that does exactly what everyone agrees should be done. takes deadly weapons away from dangerous people. we're talking about thousands of weapons each year. what's surprising, is that the number of weapons taken out of the hands of law breakers could be so much higher and more l
. >>> thanks very much, erin. anthony good evening, tonight on the program, the bunker busters, new details about what happened in that alabama bunker. in the split seconds when authorities went in. seconds that spelled life for a little boy who turned 6 today and death for his captor. >>> take a look at this man who's 74 years old, he's on a pharmaceutical cocktail that makes it possible for him to look like that. the question tonight, has he found a healthy fountain of...
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erin burnett starts now. >>> the vote to lift the ban on gay membership. plus we talk about marco rubio and whether he is making the biggest mistake of his life. and the boy held in an underground bunker for six days celebrates his birthday. what we just learned about his captor. let's go "outfront." >>> is there a major connection? a major announcement from the boy scouts today. they're delaying the vote. does the long history between the mormons and the boy scouts have anything to do with the announcement today? check out the connection between the two groups. mormons represent 15% of the registered boy scouts. that is the single biggest group in america. they pay dues. also jointly on land together and their departure could leave a gaping hole in the organization, which has seen its membership decline by a third since 1999. as the organization has gotten smaller, the mormon influence has gotten bigger. now, the mormon church has sent mixed signals and its position on gay rights. mormons spent nearly $20 million in 2008 trying to ban same-sex marriage in
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he spoke tonight with erin burnett. >> jimmy lee dykes comes on to the bus. he hands him a piece of paper. it's got instructions on it. he hands it to charlie the bus driver. and charlie poland stands up and puts himself between -- there was about 20 kids on the bus. this is an odd school bus because of the rural area. you have kids from kindergarten to high school there. >> all ages. >> the littlest kids sitting in the front. the older ones sitting in the back. and he said "i'm going to need to take two kids." and charles albert poland, the bus driver, who has been through hostage training two years before in case a gunman ever came on his bus, i'm sure he never imagined it would be somebody he knew, says, "i'm responsible for these children and you can't have them." and over that four minutes you "i'm going to kill you if you get in the way here. and as he's trying to take the kids he says, "i'm going to shoot you. i'm going to shoot you." and poland, you can tell on the videotape, is frightened, but he stands his ground. and then dykes shoots him, and it's
he spoke tonight with erin burnett. >> jimmy lee dykes comes on to the bus. he hands him a piece of paper. it's got instructions on it. he hands it to charlie the bus driver. and charlie poland stands up and puts himself between -- there was about 20 kids on the bus. this is an odd school bus because of the rural area. you have kids from kindergarten to high school there. >> all ages. >> the littlest kids sitting in the front. the older ones sitting in the back. and he said...
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erin? >> drivers have been ordered i know to stay off the streets as we were saying, governor patrick saying if you're on the roads in boston after 4:00 in the afternoon, you could face up to a year in jail. are people heeding that warning? >> a year in jail, or a $500 fine. and so far, so far we've seen very little traffic out here. you can see the street, we've seen absolutely nothing for the past hour. maybe we saw one passenger car on the way out to this location, one or two vehicles. for the most part, people seem to be heeding the warning and staying inside. we spoke to some people who are not far from here. they're doing what a lot of people are doing, then set out early, bought their supplies, bought their groceries, now hunkering down for the storm. >> thanks very much, jason carroll. we'll check in with jason later on in the hour. i want to go to ali velshi in dennisport, massachusetts. what's it like there? >> whatever jason's getting, we've had. i can tell him it's going to get
erin? >> drivers have been ordered i know to stay off the streets as we were saying, governor patrick saying if you're on the roads in boston after 4:00 in the afternoon, you could face up to a year in jail. are people heeding that warning? >> a year in jail, or a $500 fine. and so far, so far we've seen very little traffic out here. you can see the street, we've seen absolutely nothing for the past hour. maybe we saw one passenger car on the way out to this location, one or two...
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erin? >> and kyung, as you said, they're hoping and trying to track down that lead as well as others. there's not much daylight left on the west coast, you tell me, another hour, hour and a half. this is crunch time, right? >> reporter: yeah, you are absolutely right about that. about 90 minutes of daylight left. and just so give you an idea of what the officers are facing right now, big bear lake is a mountainous area. it's a resort area. it is very dense. a lot of forestry in that area. there are resorts in that area, as well. so you have people mixed with dense areas. it is very difficult to find somebody. it is, in effect, a perfect hideout, but officers, they have got to find him, if they're going to try to find him tonight, because after the sun sets, you're talking about tough terrain that could be very dangerous for the police. and something we should point out, erin, there is a storm coming in. it's expected to snow in that area. >> kuyung lah, thanks very much. and in addition to
erin? >> and kyung, as you said, they're hoping and trying to track down that lead as well as others. there's not much daylight left on the west coast, you tell me, another hour, hour and a half. this is crunch time, right? >> reporter: yeah, you are absolutely right about that. about 90 minutes of daylight left. and just so give you an idea of what the officers are facing right now, big bear lake is a mountainous area. it's a resort area. it is very dense. a lot of forestry in that...
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>> well, erin, two people are in custody. they're being called persons of interest at this point, but we are expekting an update at some point in this investigation from chicago police. the bottom line, in this case like many murders in this city, it's been very difficult to make a arrest because people are so reluctant to tell police what they know. >> hi, my name is hadiya. >> the murder of 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton is a case that people in chicago want solved. the high school sophomore who had just returned from performing as a majorette at the presidential inauguration was killed in this park after finish agfinal exam, but getting witnesses to help make an arrest has been difficult. >> people are rightfully concernconcern ed about their participation as witnesses in this case or in any other case that volves a murder. >> chicago police say attacks against witnesses are actually rare, but people still believe they're in danger. >> i have to love mere and my family loves here, so it would be a problem with
>> well, erin, two people are in custody. they're being called persons of interest at this point, but we are expekting an update at some point in this investigation from chicago police. the bottom line, in this case like many murders in this city, it's been very difficult to make a arrest because people are so reluctant to tell police what they know. >> hi, my name is hadiya. >> the murder of 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton is a case that people in chicago want...
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erin burnett çó"outfront" will start shortly but first we want to bring youÑi the rest of the press jfconference. >> and hee1 never spoke anything against saying i'me1 out after them. >> reporter: can you describe to us his demeanor? >> he was always very, very calm. >> very t(calm.e1 >> andlp you really could tell that he was professionally trained. of courseohá knew that w3too. but really the way he had us do each thing was really -- the best word i can think of is very methodical youfá know, like do exactly this. he was able toe1 wrap our hands and legsq pretty easily with those. >> reporter: he was methodical with you. he was trained,fá as we know. = he appearfá in your opinion that he was carrying out a larger plan or more that you hadr stumbled into him? >> it would appear to me we stumbled into him. he didn't seem to have a plan. >> youfá know i think -- >> reporter: did he leave anything behind? >> when we were tied up and laying there, we heard him stuffing something in a bag or back pack. >> yeah he was packing up while we were laying there. >> reporter: any kind of food wrapper t
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erin has a great sense of design, is a really cool kid. >> his fourth child is lisa brennan-jobs, the daughter jobs had with his girlfriend in 1978 and neglected for more than a decade until she moved in with the family as a teenager. isaacson said their reconciliation was important to jobs because his own birth parents had abandoned him. >> he felt there was a hole. he felt something was missing. >> in 1986, he began searching for his biological mother and found joanne schieble simpson living in los angeles. >> did she know that her son, the son that she gave up, was steve jobs? >> no, but she says to him, "there's one thing that i have to tell you: you have a sister. and the sister i raised, we did not put up for adoption. and i must tell her 'cause i've never told this." and the sister turns out to be mona simpson, the novelist. and mona simpson and steve jobs totally bond. separated at birth, as they say. and then they go on a quest, a journey, to find their birth father. especially mona wants to find what she calls the lost father. >> eventually they locate abdul fattah "john" ja
erin has a great sense of design, is a really cool kid. >> his fourth child is lisa brennan-jobs, the daughter jobs had with his girlfriend in 1978 and neglected for more than a decade until she moved in with the family as a teenager. isaacson said their reconciliation was important to jobs because his own birth parents had abandoned him. >> he felt there was a hole. he felt something was missing. >> in 1986, he began searching for his biological mother and found joanne...
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erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> we are moments away from a news conference where we expect to learn what happened in that cabin outside los angeles yesterday. last night, we heard this. >> burn it down! >> just do it, right now! [ bleep ]. >> in a few moment, we hope to find out if the body found in that cabin is the suspected cop killer and also what led to his death. plus, thousands of people are trapped on board a crippled carnival cruise ship. they're running low on supplies and living this their own filth. and two of president obama's key nominations could be on hold. one of the senators considering a delay, rand paul, is with us to tell you why. let's go "outfront." and good evening, everyone. tonight, we have breaking news on the los angeles man hunt that ended with a body dead inside a mountain cabin. in just a couple of moment, we could learn if christopher dorner was the man found last night. authorities have been working to identify the charred remains and police say they have reason to believe it is
erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> we are moments away from a news conference where we expect to learn what happened in that cabin outside los angeles yesterday. last night, we heard this. >> burn it down! >> just do it, right now! [ bleep ]. >> in a few moment, we hope to find out if the body found in that cabin is the suspected cop killer and also what led to his...
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cnn editorial producer erin mclaughlin joins us from london. first off, remind our audience, who was richard iii? >> richard iii was one of the most infamous kings portrayed by shakespeare himself as a vial and twisted villain. he's been accused of murdering both of his nephews in an attempt to keep hold of the throne. and he met his demise in 1485. all the way back in 1485 during what was called the battle of bosworth field. he was killed in action and henry vii were victorious in battle and the burial place of richard iii has long since been forgotten. that is, of course, until now. over 500 years later, a team of archeologists are poised to release their findings as to whether skeletal remains found buried in a parking lot, i new thisp mu niceple parking lot are the remains of richard iii. the media is dubbing it, the king in the parking lot. >> why do they think it is him? was it apparent how he was killed or something that was in that parking lot all these years later? >> so far the evidence that they presented is largely circumstantial. t
cnn editorial producer erin mclaughlin joins us from london. first off, remind our audience, who was richard iii? >> richard iii was one of the most infamous kings portrayed by shakespeare himself as a vial and twisted villain. he's been accused of murdering both of his nephews in an attempt to keep hold of the throne. and he met his demise in 1485. all the way back in 1485 during what was called the battle of bosworth field. he was killed in action and henry vii were victorious in battle...
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>> erin in long island. now the sky is dropping meteorites. not able to sleep. >> we haven't confirmed this, but a lot of video out of russia last night. this is crazy stuff. morgan freeman "deep impact" type stuff. 400 people injured. nutso stuff out of russia. we have enough to worry about, don't we, everyone? great show, everyone. tgif. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ rock the boat ♪ don't tip the boat over ♪ rock the boat ♪ don't rock the boat baby >> united states ain't nothing better. >> we didn't have water. we didn't have showers. we didn't have hot meals. >> it was literally like being in a floating port-a-potty. just human waste everywhere. >> they had a sign outside their cabin saying "need medication." basically they ran out of their medication and their basic needs. >> the crew on the boat, unbelievable. those guys had worse conditions than we did, and they were serving us. >> what's the first thing you're going to do? >> chick-fil-a, i think. >> all right. good morning. it is friday and one hell of a good friday for tho
>> erin in long island. now the sky is dropping meteorites. not able to sleep. >> we haven't confirmed this, but a lot of video out of russia last night. this is crazy stuff. morgan freeman "deep impact" type stuff. 400 people injured. nutso stuff out of russia. we have enough to worry about, don't we, everyone? great show, everyone. tgif. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ rock the boat ♪ don't tip the boat over ♪ rock the boat ♪ don't rock the boat baby...
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erin, please explain. you've got both witnesses who recanted, no physical evidence to connect him to the crime. why on earth is he still in jail? >> remember, that testimony from those two witnesses, that was all that connected him to this case. this is a non-dna case. they're the most difficult to overturn. you need incredible evidence sometimes time 16 17 years, but it's unbelievable. recantations are not considered reliable. both of these witnesses admitted they lied at ryan's trial and they were under oath when they said that and they face perjury charges. >> erin moriarity, thank you. you can see her full report in "accusers" right here on cbs. >>> and for years, "vanity fair" hat thrown a paefrmt this is speeding. this is in a rush. this is fast food. this is accelerating. and this is happening too fast. this is the express lane. getting a ticket. and this is the fast track. this is the fastest in-home wi-fi for all rooms, all devices, all the time. this is xfinity internet. call or click to get star
erin, please explain. you've got both witnesses who recanted, no physical evidence to connect him to the crime. why on earth is he still in jail? >> remember, that testimony from those two witnesses, that was all that connected him to this case. this is a non-dna case. they're the most difficult to overturn. you need incredible evidence sometimes time 16 17 years, but it's unbelievable. recantations are not considered reliable. both of these witnesses admitted they lied at ryan's trial...
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. >> you know, erin mclaughlin joins us from london. what does this discovery of richard iii mean? >> hi, christine. historians really think this is an opportunity to rewrite history. these are the culmination of months of detailed analysis, including dna testing, radio carbon testing, environmental sampling, and not only tell us beyond any sort of reasonable doubt that this was, in fact, richard iii, but they begin to paint a picture as to who this man was. he was 32 years old when he died. he was suffered from severe scoliosis or curvature of the spine, died at the battle of bosworth due to blunt trauma at the back of his head. his naked body strewn to a horse, brought to a grave and hastily dug and thrown in there without a shroud or coffin. we hope this will paint a different picture of richard iii, one that challenges shakespeare's portrayal of a i'll ha vile and evil monster. >> you hear of this story at the tower of london, how he killed his nephews, the little boys. and this was a medieval time when these were the things that dukes and kings did to each other. it's very gru
. >> you know, erin mclaughlin joins us from london. what does this discovery of richard iii mean? >> hi, christine. historians really think this is an opportunity to rewrite history. these are the culmination of months of detailed analysis, including dna testing, radio carbon testing, environmental sampling, and not only tell us beyond any sort of reasonable doubt that this was, in fact, richard iii, but they begin to paint a picture as to who this man was. he was 32 years old when...
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today reported another strong quarter with erin earnings per share better than a penny better than expected. and outback steakhouse performed very well. but the stock sold off 5% because the company saw commodity inflation in the quarter. i think bloomen remains risky as higher gas prices and the end of the payroll tax holiday put the squeeze on the consumer at thaend at the same time as we fear higher commodity sti costs. stock trades at a discount but it feels -- like when you eat unwould've those blooming onions. i like outback steakhouse. i think shu wait for a pullback under 16 a bit more than a buck below where it is now before pulling the trigger but if it got there unlike so many people who say wait for a pullback and then when it pulls back they run, i want you to buy it. i have some tweets here. mad tweets. and yeah, look, i still answer as many as i can. you go there you see all those followers, i'm always trying. sometimes i favorite people. my daughter told me how to favorite people. our first tweet comes from @stevespraycal. his tweet says, "jim bo, i bet you didn't know you t
today reported another strong quarter with erin earnings per share better than a penny better than expected. and outback steakhouse performed very well. but the stock sold off 5% because the company saw commodity inflation in the quarter. i think bloomen remains risky as higher gas prices and the end of the payroll tax holiday put the squeeze on the consumer at thaend at the same time as we fear higher commodity sti costs. stock trades at a discount but it feels -- like when you eat unwould've...
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erin? >> his speech was a different reaction here than the president. let me ask you, who thought that marco rubio did a good job? definitely have some people but when you compare to what we saw with the president the numbers were overwhelming in terms of being positive for the president. find out what it was that inspired and didn't inspire. let me start with you, flynn. you are an independent and voted both ways. you had something positive to say about marco rubio. >> he makes a pleasing appearance. he's youthful, articulate. his thoughts were well organized, well presented and most of the things he said ai agree. >> there's one point of you. michelle, you are r
erin? >> his speech was a different reaction here than the president. let me ask you, who thought that marco rubio did a good job? definitely have some people but when you compare to what we saw with the president the numbers were overwhelming in terms of being positive for the president. find out what it was that inspired and didn't inspire. let me start with you, flynn. you are an independent and voted both ways. you had something positive to say about marco rubio. >> he makes a...
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back to you guys. >> erin burnett "outfront" at the top of the hour. see you in a bit. thanks. >>> the voice of the 1960s classic hit and karaoke staple has died. even if you're not familiar with reg presley or his band, the troggs, you have probably heard this. ♪ wild thing you make my heart sing ♪ you make everything groovy wild thing ♪ >> that's reg presley and the troggs performing "wild thing" back in the day. the band was an inspiration for other legendary groups, including the ramones and r.e.m. reg presley died at his home in britain after a battle with lung cancer. he was 71 years old. >> you love that song. wolf's favorite song. >> you make my heart sing. >> don't start singing yet. still ahead, a woman already was in enough trouble to be hauled into a courtroom but as you're about to see, things got a whole lot worse when she made a shockingly disrespectful gesture to that judge. i'm serious, we compare our direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actuall
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. >>> erin, thanks very much. a lot happening tonight. the worst tornado some have seen in years. a pope resigns, which hasn't happened in six cinchries. the whan said he hao killed osama bin laden reveals how his family lives in fear and what the government's protection. >> and murder in chicago have the city in shock. the killing of a 15-year-old girl, gunned down just days after performing at president obama's inauguration. her funeral was yesterday. let's go to ted rowlands with the latest in chicago. what do we know? >> the death of hadiya pendalson has struck a nerve not only in chicago but across the country. tonight, they have two men in custody. one is an 18-year-old man, the other, a 20-year-old man. both are members of a chicago gang. according to a police source, there was no witness who came forward to break this case. police officers worked on tips and were able to go out and find win witnesses. they do not have the murder weapon, according to the source. the charges that the two young men face, one charge of murder. two charges each of attempted murder, and some wea
. >>> erin, thanks very much. a lot happening tonight. the worst tornado some have seen in years. a pope resigns, which hasn't happened in six cinchries. the whan said he hao killed osama bin laden reveals how his family lives in fear and what the government's protection. >> and murder in chicago have the city in shock. the killing of a 15-year-old girl, gunned down just days after performing at president obama's inauguration. her funeral was yesterday. let's go to ted rowlands...
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erin, it was great watching you this morning, covering it live as the helicopter was leaving and heading over to the retreat. >> it was amazing watching that helicopter. as we said, you couldn't get a better advertisement for the glory of rome than that ride that the pope took today. history was made today, and we're going to tackle the taboo issue in the church, and we're talking about sex and celibacy. tonight we've got a nun who left the church because she fell in love, a priest who left the church because he fell in love, and a priest who is staying in the church and who believes in celibacy. and the mysterious death of an american work for a secretive and prestigious government firm. >> we'll be there, top of the hour, erin. >>> and when we come back, we're just now getting results of our very own test of anheuser-busch's beer. is it watered down? it's a question we were asked this week. we're going to find out the results, next. try align. it's the number one ge recommended probiotic that helps maintain digestive balance. ♪ stay in the groove with align. ♪ need help keeping you
erin, it was great watching you this morning, covering it live as the helicopter was leaving and heading over to the retreat. >> it was amazing watching that helicopter. as we said, you couldn't get a better advertisement for the glory of rome than that ride that the pope took today. history was made today, and we're going to tackle the taboo issue in the church, and we're talking about sex and celibacy. tonight we've got a nun who left the church because she fell in love, a priest who...